Avid Lift questions

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  1. OGJEEP

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    I recently got the avid lift kit. It doesnt have rear subframe , exhaust or carrier bearing spacers. Just strut spacer front and rear. Any idea if i will have issues?I actually like the thought of not having to drop my subframe in the rear. Also Considering the front of daystar and terflex lift only include strut spacers the rear should be ok with only strut spacers as well right? it will just have more angle on the cv axles. I just need another jeep head to confirm this theory. thanks!
     
  2. Got Dibbs

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    I'm glad you described exactly what the Avid lift kit comes with. At $200 I figured it was to good to be true. I believe the other manufacturers ie..... ATP, Teraflex, Daystar, and a view others all include some sort of subframe drop for a reason. Either to help in longevity of the factory parts......
    Better flex and control while off roading........
    To keep road manners like stock........all the above or for possible reasons not listed. But I personally would not run just spacers on an independent suspension vehicle (solid axle would be different) even if its only a few inches of lift. I believe it can and will cause premature ware on stock parts without using subframe drop. Thanks to you now I know not to order the Avid lift.
     
  3. OGJEEP

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    Well let me put it this way, i have installed lifts on renegades for people before. And i like this kit better than the teraflex actually for multiple reasons.
    Now think of this as well, ATP DAYSTAR AND TERFLEX all have just strut spacers up front. The rear suspension on the renegade is identical to the front.
    When installing the front you have to trim the strut housing to clear the axle. Now i have a feeling this will be the same for the rear on the avid lift. and i actually like this. I DO NOT like the fact these other lifts make you drop the subframe in the rear for no apparent reason other than alignment. And camber bolts will solve this.
    So what you are saying about not running spacers on a strut equipped vehicle without dropping the subframe makes no sense.
    Subarus run strut spacers, my brothers commander runs strut spacers. Thats not the issue. I think time will tell when i install them and get an alignment.
    When you drop your subframe in the rear back to stock height you actually do not gain any ground clearance at all from the lift. The only ground clearance you get is from being able to fit a bigger tire in the wheel well and your difd will be just as close to the ground. So in theory the avid lift will give you more "usable" ground clearance for the diff by not dropping the subframe.
    And you need muffler and driveshaft spacers when you drop the subframe. but dont need them when you dont install the subframe drop.
    I just anticipate an angle on the cv axles more similar to the front axles and possibly needing more camber.
    The spacers feel much higher quality then the teraflex lift, and the sway links are adjustable beefy heim joints. Anyways.
    To your comment about this post revealing this lift too good to be true , you could have just looked at the pictures to see whats included. I think for 200 dollars this lift blows the others out of the water and will perform better in the real world offroad by giving me more pumpkin actual clearance.
    Just think about it. These dont even have upper control arms to worry about the balljoint on. I think it will he 1000% fine now that i really thought it over. Maybe just camber bolts neccesary.
    Avid is amazing
     
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    Also for 140 to 230 extra these other guys really need to re evaulate there pricing. The spacers for the subframe, mufflers and driveshaft are just basic round spacers that take no engineering or real cost to produce. So for all that extra money damn at least teraflex gives you discos. But they are cheap. Like i said i love the beefy heims in the avid kit. Overall i am super pleased with the quality of the kit, just wanted to hear some thoughts. Ill make an updated post when i install it and review it
     
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    I am looking forward to see your results in a new video. I have enjoyed your videos, please keep them coming.
     
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    I have the Daystar 1.5" lift kit installed and I've been happy with it. However, I agree with OGJEEP about the Avid lift. A spacer lift can be that simple and inexpensive and still be good quality. Unless you are taking the Renegade to Baja to do jumps, the trans-axle angle probably won't be an issue. And again, only strut spacers in the front no matter who you go with. Keep in mind these engines are sub 200HP and the vehicles weight about 3,300-3,500lbs. There is not a lot of stress on the trans-axles to begin with. And if you can put in the lift yourself, you can replace the trans-axles yourself if it comes to that.
     
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    Let me know how it goes with putting the lift on and getting it aligned? Im wondering why all the other manufacturers include some way of dropping the subframe if it's not needed. Also I did not mention anything about the quality of the Avid lift, I just stated my opinion about wether or not it is a good idea about installing a lift only comprised of spacers. When i first went to the Avid website it was so new that there were no pictures of exactly whats included in the lift. And to be truthful the Jeep Renegade is such a new vehicle that who honestly knows how any of these lifts will affect longevity of any of the parts. Especially Avid who most recently started producing there products. If I have to pay an extra $100 for a lift and install a few more brackets and spacers to keep from having to replace stock parts every other year than so be it.
     
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    HELP HELP! Will someone please chime in on the benefits or differences between the Avid Essentials 1.5" lift kit that uses what I am told only spacers in the front and rear. Over the other lift kits by ATP, Daystar, and Teraflex which use some sort of subframe drop in the rear and spacers to lower a lot of other parts. There's almost $100 difference in price, less work, and better quality product with the Avid kit over the others. I wasn't sure about ordering it but OGJEEP got me thinking about it and I personally couldn't find any comparisons between the different lifts. But the quality of Avids lift does look to be more heavy duty.
     
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    I will be installing my lift kit today. ill let you know how it goes. I am actually really excited to see how it handles. Ill keep you updated and post as many pics as possible.
     
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    From the pictures posted on Avids website it looks like the kit possibly has rear control arm drops, is that correct? And good luck with the install and may all your bolts break free easily and all your parts align properly! Lol!
     
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    they do. and thanks!! check this out also .

    I just want to post these pictures of the difference in quality of the AVID lift products over the Daystar and Teraflex lifts. Its pretty insane the difference in quality. Especially for the price. Ill be installing and updating later today. I could go on to explain how much beefier the parts are, how much better the welds are, how the holes are centered and support weight evenly. but ill let the pics speak for themselves.
     

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    thanks i will keep you posted!
     
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    I look for to seeing the install too! I have had the avid lift and was worried about not having additional spacers.
     
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    I look fwd to the pics. I have had the avid lift since Xmas and waiting for instructions which they haven’t and concerned about exhaust spacers. iOS Image - 3183358199.jpg
     
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    Oh wow! Night and day difference. It's going to be hard to hold off ordering now. You've really changed my mind about what lift to order. I'm not sure if I can wait for your finished product. Lol! The quality alone is outstanding. Hurry up and finish so I can order the Avid lift. Thanks again for starting the discussion.
     
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    ill have updates and pics tonight!! i have a great feeling!
     
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    i was curious as well but then realized it should be ok since we dont drop subframe as well. It will just take a rear alignment as well for the camber. Camber bolts will help. I will post alignment details when finished also.
     
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    Someone said the Teraflex lift doesn't have rear strut spacers. It does along with the rear subframe spacer. The front strut spacer I llik a lot better than the Teraflex spacer.
     
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    What do you think would happen if the subframe spacer on the Teraflex lift is not installed? Wouldn't you need longer swaybar links in the rear like the front?
     
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    Update? Pics? How to install? I’m dying lol
     
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